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Post by Cookie Monster on Oct 30, 2005 0:03:23 GMT -5
I might be inclined to agree, if not for the lack of material...
How much nicer it would have been with one more full, proper album. Or at least a quality EP.
Anyway...Babyshambles are fakers and the trio surrounding Pete are just nameless vultures as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by gfb on Oct 30, 2005 11:28:13 GMT -5
nah there's a wealth of material out there. you could easily make up another album...things like smashing, whole world is our playground (there is a cracking version recorded for the second album), the UTB b-sides. there's easily an album in rarities.
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Post by Jim82 on Oct 30, 2005 13:06:50 GMT -5
Pete is Babyshambles, the other musicians could be replaced, but if Pete likes them then that'll make it easier for recording, but im not sure he does like them. Id compare them as being as significant as Morrisseys backing band, who, though being quite good, dont really get a look in when performing as 'Morrissey'. Babyshambles lost a good member when Gemma left.
I've always been a bit sceptical of Mick Jones production, i dont mind it, but 'Don't Be Shy' will always be awful, if any other band put that on an album they would have been slated. Its a shame as it cold have been a good song.
I think the Dirty Pretty Things album will be beter produced, i think Carl and Didz have experience in this area so they might do it between them or assist an established producer. I think he's got the line up riight too as the spotlight wont be just on him.
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Post by LAGirl on Oct 30, 2005 17:47:52 GMT -5
well if you are skeptical of MJ's production, what do you think of his work with the Libs?
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Post by Miss Piggy on Oct 31, 2005 1:05:32 GMT -5
I think he did a great job with UTB (though Bernard Butler gets an assist). Libertines and Down In Albion are both weak...
Mick allows too much garbage and wank on albums. He takes songs which should be tight and makes 'em flabby and sloppy. I guess he thinks it sounds more "real", but in my mind there's no harm in using a studio to capture a band at their best.
Moreover, as a great guitarist in his own right, Mick Jones should have done something to keep Patrick Walden from running amok on Albion. What trash.
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Post by Jim82 on Oct 31, 2005 8:35:29 GMT -5
I agree with miss, up the bracket was a quality album production wise, but i thought thie libertines seemed a bit too scrappy, i know thats probably all they had time to do at the time. Another producer may have held them together better, both the songs and the songwriters. I've not heard ...Albion yet so i cant comment on that.
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Post by Stu on Oct 31, 2005 10:47:56 GMT -5
I agree with miss, up the bracket was a quality album production wise, but i thought thie libertines seemed a bit too scrappy, i know thats probably all they had time to do at the time. Another producer may have held them together better, both the songs and the songwriters. I've not heard ...Albion yet so i cant comment on that. a new producer would of severed the ties with the libertines sound i think, which i think would of been refreshing i.e if they epworthed it like man who came and killamangiro orignal,that would of been a true treat |
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Post by LAGirl on Oct 31, 2005 16:22:47 GMT -5
Very interesting ideas...I'm surrounded by smart people.  I am going to go home tonight and listen to both albums again...Okay, next question: Paul Epworth--isn't he "over-hyped" like the Arctic Monkeys? |
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Post by Stu on Oct 31, 2005 17:01:27 GMT -5
Very interesting ideas...I'm surrounded by smart people. I am going to go home tonight and listen to both albums again...Okay, next question: Paul Epworth--isn't he "over-hyped" like the Arctic Monkeys? he did bloc party i think #and defo did the rakes hes stunning |
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Post by Bill Bones on Nov 1, 2005 13:52:30 GMT -5
he's a pretty good remixer too. anyone heard the phones disco edit of banquet? thats amazing.
on the subject of pw, did anyone else pick up the fact he used to be a session bass player for james blunt from the nme interview. hahahahaha.
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Post by LAGirl on Nov 1, 2005 16:33:01 GMT -5
hey, what do you have session players? my favorite drummer, ian matthews, was a session drummer.
billy bones i LOVE your avatar thing!
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Post by Mozza on Nov 1, 2005 16:38:08 GMT -5
hey, what do you have session players? my favorite drummer, ian matthews, was a session drummer. billy bones i LOVE your avatar thing! i think its not the fact he was a session player, but the fact that he was JAMES BLUNT's session player that is so hilarious james blunt = cunt |
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Post by Jim82 on Nov 2, 2005 8:02:35 GMT -5
Some of the phones mixes are just borin but the Bloc Party one's quality. Think he produced Maximo Park as well, and, if im right, he did a good job with them too.
He's producing the White Rose Movement at the moment, they're good too.
Being a session player for James Blunt? Thats gotta be an easy job.
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Post by bernie rhodes on Nov 2, 2005 8:48:48 GMT -5
maybe the libs should of got kevin rowland to produce the second album
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Post by Lucy on Nov 2, 2005 9:51:30 GMT -5
Pete is Babyshambles, the other musicians could be replaced, but if Pete likes them then that'll make it easier for recording, but im not sure he does like them. Id compare them as being as significant as Morrisseys backing band, who, though being quite good, dont really get a look in when performing as 'Morrissey'. Babyshambles lost a good member when Gemma left. I've always been a bit sceptical of Mick Jones production, i dont mind it, but 'Don't Be Shy' will always be awful, if any other band put that on an album they would have been slated. Its a shame as it cold have been a good song. I think the Dirty Pretty Things album will be beter produced, i think Carl and Didz have experience in this area so they might do it between them or assist an established producer. I think he's got the line up riight too as the spotlight wont be just on him. Carl has met with Dave Sardy and Nigel Godrich so it might be one of them who produces. I think you're right that he's got a good lineup around him, they're all talented in their own right and blend together well, musically and friendship wise. Sometimes I find Patrick's guitar playing excrutiatingly bad and scratchy. I actually don't mind it for the most part on the album, there's a few good bits but at other times he just seems to trample over everything |
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I am going to go home tonight and listen to both albums again...Okay, next question: Paul Epworth--isn't he "over-hyped" like the Arctic Monkeys? 
